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brooke baldwin. we'll see you right back here tomorrow night. >> this is "piers morgan live." welcome to our show, from viewers around the world and in the united states. and later, a family from nevada, and a desperate mission to save them. and who better to talk to about the day's headlines than the great dan rather? and questions about the rise of asperger's, and susan boils, and revelations she suffers from the condition. and all coming up, plus the crash that took the life of paul walker, what will it do to the "fast & furious" franchise. also an amazing story of love, hope and inspiration. how she is turning her grief into a message of hope. >> it doesn't hit you until it happens to you, in your town and

state. and that can be anywhere. we begin tonight with breaking news, the race against the clock to find the young couple and four little children missing in the remote snowy mountains of nevada. chad myers has more. what can you tell me about this missing family? >> reporter: last night, piers, that was 17 degrees below zero. and that is not the wind chill, but it is so far below your skin temperature, more than 50 degrees really, below freezing. and they're close to reno nevada, in a beautiful wilderness area, they went out sunday to go play in the snow but never came home. the silver jeep with a blacktop is what authorities are looking for. tonight, we're going down to minus six degrees right there. here is what they have to have. and here, if you're going to

learn anything from this family you can't go out in the wilderness or even outside when it is this cold without a tank of gas. a full tank of gas, because when you start the car you can use that engine's heat to keep your family or you warm. let's hope that they had 22 gallons of gas in that tank and all they are is just sitting out there waiting to be found. and that would be the only thing at this point is fuel in their car, or maybe start a forest fire, get a fire going that they can stay warm. but right now, there is no indication of any of that. they are still lost out this in the snow. >> i want to bring in amanda fitzpatrick, the mother of of the missing girl. shelby fitzpatrick is searching for her daughter. amanda, it is obviously a terrible situation for you. whereabouts are you right now? and what are the conditions like? >> it is just very icy and cold, we're actually back up to the area we were told they were

headed bh they went out to play in the snow. and it is just very icy and getting very cold. >> it is obviously every parent's nightmare. what have the authorities told you about the likelihood that this will end with the recovery of everybody safe and well? >> everybody has been very positive. it has been very hard, probably the hardest 24/36 hours of my life. it is my baby girl. but they have all been very positive. we have got the entire town of love lock, the entire towns and outside counties with search and rescue teams and everything like that. and everybody has been very positive and very willing to support and helpful and everything like that. >> and just for anybody watching who is in the area, it is james glanton, with his girlfriend, two four-year-olds and a

3-year-old, what are the conditions like there, amanda? for people who don't know nevada, is it particularly extreme? chad said it is 17 below normal. what are you experiencing? >> it is just extremely cold. it is a lot colder than it has been in the past. these are extremely cold temperatures that we haven't seen in a long time. so we're just trying to beat the weather, really, and get them home safe. >> well, amanda, thank you for joining us, we hope and pray that your little girl turns up and the others do, too, and very good luck with your search. thank you. >> and you want to turn to just about every other major news story in headlines, going back decades, dan rather, the managing editor of access tv. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> i was thinking about you last week. because whenever there is a huge event like the death of nelson

mandela, one of the great figures in my life, certainly, as well. what was your reaction when you heard he finally died? >> i was somewhat surprised. because he had such resilience and determination. of course, we all knew he was very, very ill. but just somehow, i thought he will live to be 100 or more, because look what he survived. look what he went through. how he was in prison for over a quarter of a century. and for a great deal of that time he was under great duress, to say the least. >> and anybody who has not been there, this cell he was in was sort of 6 x 6. literally a box. >> and that, of course that and everything else they did to him, was designed to break his will. he had many hallmarks, resilient, to say the least.

he was elegant, many people who heard of him but didn't know, he was quite a well educated attorney and a very good attorney. >> he was tough, he was as hard as nails. he was tough and determined. but the great, great thing about mandela was that when he came out of prison he could have sought awful revenge on his captors and all who stood by them, but he went the complete opposite way. >> two things, i was raised in what we thought was a pretty tough neighborhood in texas. and we always said there is tough, street tough, and prison tough. i would say there is tough, street tough, prison tough, and then there is mandela tough. number two, i'm not so sure that deep within himself that mandela didn't have some twinges of revenge, but here is the point. he recognized he had to be bigger than that. so he was about reconciliation, as well as forgiveness.

i'm not so sure that forgiveness is an over worked word with mandela, because given what he had been through, had ehe recognized mostly for his own mental standing and his people, that he needed to get beyond that. no doubt in my mind in my mind, it will be written, there will be a line that goes through gandhi, martin luther king jr., and nelson mandela. >> and in the early morning hours there will be a remarkable memorial. of the world leaders, the greatest collection of any of this since winston churchhill's funeral back in 1966. >> well, and that should tell us how history will look upon nelson mandela. >> quite an amazing man. >> let's turn to the nsa, pretty controversial letter today from the bosses of apple, google,

yahoo! facebook, linked in and twitter. to president obama, saying the key line, the balance of many countries has ticked too far away from the state and the individual, undermines the freedoms we all cherish, time for a change. now, one of the founders of twitter, jack dorsey, and what do you make about the standoff between the nsa who wants to have the right to poke in everybody's business because they believe it will stop trim. and obviously, the portals, saying whoa, steady. >> first of all, there are two parts of this. one, what the national security agency does in the united states with u.s. citizens. now, on the -- at least circumstantial evidence, at least whether or not they're

behaving legally in regard to our constitution. the other part, what they do overseas in china and iran and other places. the point is, two different parts of it. because there is no international law that deals with this, now, what some of the big companies, ibm, hewlitt packard, what they're finding is that their business has fallen off. the chinese can say you know what? your systemings are not secure, so the business is off 21/25%. >> there is a certain hypocrisy with these companies because they themselves are raiding our private information very aggressively for commercial reasons. >> well, i'm smiling but it is not funny, exactly, there is a certain amount of hypocrisy. on the one hand, they say look, i can register the brand of underwear and the size, and that

is okay because that is in our best business. but on the other hand it hurts our business in china and other places, they can't have it both ways. but again, this will take a long time to sort out. one question is, are their businesses being hurt overseas by this, and in a lot of countries beyond china, how long will it last and what can they do to turn it around? my own opinion is it will last for quite a while and require a good deal of all three branch, particularly our president, and going to the next presidency. >> i don't envy president obama, because you look at edward snowden's allegations, and some are perfectly legitimate, but others are things i think a government should do to help with security, and combat terrorism. >> i'm so glad you said that, piers, because there is a temptation to go too far in one way. listen, there are people around

the world who do not wish us well. there are people who want to kill us. and it would be unconscionable for our government not to do what it could to prevent them from doing that. so on the other hand, you have to be proactive and know what they're talking about when they talk. on the other hand, there are not just these real issues but the people's business, of where is privacy, where is the line? where can we get into it to commit terrorism? it is a tough one -- >> the fbi apparently now has the power to get into anybody's web camera on their laptop or computer, and the light doesn't even go off. so they can actually just be looking at you without you having any -- >> they had the ability to do that. but under our constitution and our set of laws do they have the right to do that? >> that is the big debate, i'm sure it will go on. let's move on to aspergers, you have been doing interviews on this. susan boyle, the great singer,

she helped find on britain's great talent in scotland now reveals that she, too, has been diagnosed with aspergers, we know that adam lanza, he was also believed to have suffered. what do we know about it? how prevalent do you think it may be? >> first of all, i don't want to say i'm an expert, but darryl hannah, the great movie star, she described it as it is like autism. there is another way of putting this is, symptoms akin to autism, rather than calling it asperger's disorder. but this is not a precise science with medicine. but for people who have it, it causes shyness, sometimes extreme shyness, and what a great story this is about this woman. she said you know, great relief now that she knows what is wrong with her. >> because i know her very well, actually, and i have stayed in contact with her. she is very bright, actually,

very bright and very normal most of the time. but she suffers from a clear behavioral disorder which she was aware of without really knowing what caused it. and i think she feels great relief. >> she feels better and let's hope that she will be a little more forthcoming, not quite as shy. this has been the experience of other people. and particularly people -- >> well, this is a bit of a trip with darryl hannah, it was fascinating. >> is that what led to -- let me say suspicions, at least half diagnosis that you had asperger's syndrome when you were younger? >> it always has been an awkward fit, but definitely as i grow older i definitely learn how to -- how to deal with it better. >> fascinating stuff. let's turn quickly to what has been on cbs, your old network, former colleague on leave of

absence over this report from benghazi. many people believe it was a double standard at cbs in the way you were treated in terms of the way you were departed from cbs, and the way that laura logan has been treated and the way they handled this crisis. what do you think? >> well, first of all, cbs has a lot to answer for this. there were a lot of questions, they have added to some of them. i don't want to add to their burden, i know what it feels like to be the correspondent who is at the center of controversy, when there are people above and below you. we'll make this point, with our story, the one that led to our difficulty, no question the story was true. although most of us lost our jobs, it was okay, your story was true, but the way you got to the story, was flawed. the process was flawed. that was not the case in the benghazi case, unfortunately, they were taken in by a man who

was a fraud. >> laura logan is an incredibly brave reporter, she was being assaulted and attacked in tahrir square, a really brave woman. should it end her career? >> in my opinion, no. i am so glad you mentioned that. okay, whatever one thinks of what laura logan did with this story, in one respect it should be put with her whole record. she is still a very young correspondent. it should be put in that perspective. >> coming up, the subject your kids should be studying in school and probably are. i'll talk to twitter founder, jack dorsey. >> and coming up, what this means for the "fast & furious" movie. plus presents the cold truth.r [ sniffles, coughs ] shhhh! shhhh. [ coughs ] i have a cold with this annoying runny nose. [ sniffles ] i better take something.

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well, it doesn't get much cooler than you, the king, really, of social media. what is this plan you have, how are you going to change the terrible statistics? i mean, just looking at this, science, china first, u.s., 21, math, china first, u.s. 26th. >> this is really a tough situation, we were in a conference two years ago, he said what if we created a movement to really encourage more people to learn programming? the more coding. and it is something that immediately resonated with me. i didn't have the programming classes in my high school. it is something i went out and did myself. it is something i learned by myself, but it is one of the best ways to really help you solve problems, break problems down into their smallest parts, and sequence them so you really understand how a system works together.

so even if you don't become an engineer or a programmer, it is a great way of thinking. so everyone should try to learn it. >> and the thing is, every young kid i know has a device like this. they carry it at all times. probably a laptop or an ipad and so on and so on, they are surrounded by technology, it is not a huge lap for them to be getting into the code game. i guess the argument they think is, oh, code, geeks, people like jack -- you know what i mean, it is not all that cool. he is making it cooler. how are you going to make it cool enough for kids to say hey, yeah, i want to do this? >> we just released a video starring dwight howard, chris bosh, saying this is something we should do. it resonates with people, not just for the jack dorseys of the world. >> why is computer science so lacking in widespread

encouragement and ability in schools? i mean, why is that? why are so many american schools really not investing in time and effort? >> it was hard when i was growing up to see the value in it. more and more, we're seeing how easy it is to take that thing and build an entire company, to build a business around it, too, to touch potentially every single person on the planet with the service that you create. and it has never been easier or faster to create one of those programs, one of those services or companies than today. so the more people we have who can do that, who can take a black canvas and think of something and then express it, and then that expression is actually an experience that other people can use, it is amazing. the creation just becomes so so fast. >> and how will it directly help people with say their math? what is the link there? >> well, there is actually

schools that have had every students do computer science in the ninth grade. and they can see by 11th grade the students have improved the math scores compared to the kids who didn't have to do it. >> what are the chinese doing that is so different to americans? >> well, in computer science, the difference is they're teaching it. but in our schools, 90% of our schools, it is declining, in china it is required. in the uk, they just announced that every single kid will get it. we compare math and science, we might get worse scores but at least we're getting scores. in computer science, it is not even on the schedule. >> jeff, you made untold billions with your computer expertise, and well deserved. >> thank you. >> and you're at the center of this new revolution and so on, you have to somehow hook them in. is social media going to be a way to do that?

is zuckerberg going to use facebook to embrace this very campaign you're running? >> i think every generation is using their mobile device every single day. and more and more they're not looks just to use it, but looking to make something out of it. and the idea of coding, whatever you want to see or do in the world you can actually do very, very quickly. it is a bit like learning a foreign language. it is even easier, you see immediate results and action. >> you see somebody if they're going to have to learn chinese or code, they're equally difficult. let's turn to this, your company, twitter, one of the big letters written. there is a big battle going on, the rights to privacy for the average american. let's focus on america here. there is a hypocrisy here that most would charge against twitter.

most saying you pillage away, with not certainly facebook or twitter, they're in there grabbing people's private information, what right really have you collectively got to say we want to defend people's privacy? >> well, we intend to defend the people using the service and their voice and make sure that that is protected and that they have an understanding of who has access to the information. the nice thing about twitter is that it is inherently public, something that people are saying out in the world. and there is an understanding, a deep understanding that when they tweet something, the world sees it. that is a very nice aspect of our service. we want to make sure that is understood, always protected. and that is something that people can come to the service and say yes, i trust that. >> do you think the nsa is being too nosey? is that the short version of your polite letter? >> i don't know if i can speak to that specifically. but to us it is just

establishing trust and making sure people use our service and that we can maintain that. and we have to be stewards not only of our service but of everyone who is participating in it. and as we push back on our own policies we should also push back on government policies, as well. >> i couldn't help but notice that twitter hit a record high today. you must be very pleased that the rollout has gone so well? >> it is not actually something i pay attention to. we have an entire company of people -- >> you never look at your stock price? >> it is not the leading indicator of success, the leading indicator is people finding value in the device. >> the leading indicator on twitter is how many followers you have. you're the founder of twitter. how many followers do you have? >> i have over 2 million. >> are you aware of how many i have? nearly 8 million, nearly double the finding of the founder of twitter. and if you want to join me,

@piersmorgan. you're @jack. >> @jack. >> you must be pleased on how it is going. >> i'm very proud, it has been a great seven years of watching it grow. >> what do you think of mr. dorsey, a shy genius? >> he is amazing. >> do you tweet? >> i think jack is an example of why we should be doing things like teaching computers and science in our schools. jack is an example of the american dream and the fact that 90% of american schools don't even offer the courses to become the next jack dorsey, that seems unamerican to me. >> well, jack you came in during the start of this and made a lot of bold pledges on how successful it would be, they have all come true. i always salute you, what is the next big idea, because you always seem to know. what should i look to get into?

>> code, programming. >> i mean, that is the power, if you learn this tool, you create the next big idea. and that is what we're looking for. we're looking for it in our companies to hire the brilliant people who change the course of the company and maybe potentially change the course of the world. so it is really a question of what we see and editing that accordingly. >> well, you heard the man there, who is now a billionaire, right, jack? >> not something i pay attention to. >> god, i would. >> great to see you again, hollywood pays tribute to "fast & furious" star paul walker. but what happens to franchise after paul walker's death? coming up next. every day we're working to be an even better company -

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hollywood pays tribute to paul walker after his tragic death in a fiery crash, fans remembered him. now they are left wondering about the future of the billion dollar "fast & furious" franchise. joining me now, editor of the rap. thank you for joining us. it is incredibly difficult to know what the right thing to do is. what do you think they should be doing here? >> i think they're doing what they ought to be doing, which is they're taking a step back. they have put the brakes on. and they're taking a moment to decide what is the best thing to do for this huge production that

they're right in the middle of. and also, i think they're frankly in shock. you know, you do have a leading actor from a multi-million dollar nearly $200 million production who has disappeared in the middle of this who happened to have died in a car crash? when the movie itself is about high speed car racing. so what they're doing is thinking very hard about how they're going to not salvage what they have but go ahead and make a great movie. and what i think they are likely to end up doing is just scrapping what they have got and starting over, which is what i reported this past week. >> well, that would be an extraordinary thing, because they're supposed to have wrapped by september. so i guess they're pretty well into production. they have used cgi technology to actually put walker's face onto somebody else's body. can they do that? is it deemed to be just too distasteful for that reason? is there an argument against it?

>> i don't think there is any argument of using graphics to put heads on bodies. but you really couldn't do that for the rest of the movie. he had many key scenes that still had to be shot. so you can't take his face, right, that is who he is. and i think the -- the conversation really is, are you trying to force the story into -- to fit the circumstances of real life? and so what they're really looking at it, and by the way, i should add that the cost is not really a factor here because they are covered by insurance for an event like this. so they really have the flexibility to sit back and say what is the best thing for this story, for this major franchise they're going to have to try to protect. >> the other big movie hit by this event, beyond its control, was the mandela movie, a harvey weinstein movie. it was again, a tricky

situation, for harvey and his company, as to how you move on to promote a movie without it looking like you're trying to capitalize on what is actually a sad and tragic event. >> well, that is exactly right. the tongues in hollywood are saying he is going to try to use this to try and win an oscar. but i spoke to harvey himself, he was still in london, as you can imagine, putting on this big premiere. and has his two daughters, and five minutes before the credit comes up, secret service comes up and whispers to the daughters that their father has passed away. they decide to sit through the screening, they tell the gathering dignitaries that this has happened. he was at pains to say he is not doing anything other than to honor the wishes of the mandela

family. and has not changed the release strategy for the film, which is not to push it into theaters right now, but indeed to wait until christmas day, which is going to open in somewhere from 800 to a thousand theaters. and i think the world is waiting to learn more about mandela, and the notion he may be trying to get ahead because of the death of the mandela situation, that he wants to stay very far away from. >> yeah, knowing harvey, i couldn't imagine he would want to put himself in that position. also, it is a fantastic movie. if you don't know the story of nelson mandela, many americans ought to go and see it that don't know the background to it. it is a brilliant performance. it was of course in the wire over here. >> it was not a film that was easy to make, by any means. harvey weinstein tried to make

the film years ago with denzel washington. obviously, this is not an easy money maker, a story about an african hero is not something necessarily that american audiences are going to run out and see. by the way, they're putting it in schools for free. so i think that it could be a teaching moment, as we sometimes like to say. >> absolutely, thank you very much indeed for joining me. >> thank you, piers. coming up, a story of inspiration, a young woman who lost her mother at sandy hook is turning her grief into a message for america. ♪ ♪

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you had mentioned that day, regarding owners of gun stores and background checks. i'm just wondering why the burden of my mother being gunned down in the hall of an elementary school is not as important as that.

>> that was erica lafferty, is was her mother who died during a final effort to protect the students. today, the families of the sandy hook victims are launching myfamily.org. it was quite a moment, erica, you have been doing that sort of thing all year long, has it helped you personally deal with the loss of your mother in such horrific circumstances and get on the front of this debate and make real change? >> absolutely, it gives me real purpose and allows me to be the voice that my mom no longer has, that so many americans don't have anymore. somebody needs to speak up. the country needs to speak up. and it is therapeutic and meaningful to be a part of that.

>> it strikes me as extraordinary, that here we are a year later, after this hideous atrocity, 20 children and six adults, including your mother, and not a single change has happened, despite all the promises from the president on down. how do you as one of the members of the family, feel about this? >> i mean, as far as changing gun laws there have definitely been changes on a state level, colorado, on a federal level, absolutely disappointing. but the fact it got to that point is something we haven't seen in 20 years. but it is a step. it didn't go far enough. and that absolutely is disappointing. but it is not going to discourage me from continuing to try. you know, americans are standing up. and you know, the overwhelming majority of us do support the expanded background checks and we're just going to get louder and louder until that change was made. >> your mother was anti-gun

before that, tell me about that. >> i don't think i even owned a nerf gun growing up. it was not part of the culture i had. it was all about reading books and being a family and playing outside. and i don't even think my mom would have known what way to hold a gun to be honest with you. so i mean, doing what i'm doing, i absolutely believe that this -- if the roles were reversed, this is what my mom would be doing for me. >> do you think that every american was touched in the way your family has been touched by such extreme young violence, and senseless gun violence, that change would come quicker. i mean, do you think you have to go through something like that to really understand the horror of guns? >> absolutely, i know that me, personally, i was pretty blind to the entire subject prior to december 14th, last year.

you know, i would hear about mass shootings on the news or you know, read about something being shot in the newspaper. and the next day it was just me going back to my normal life. it doesn't -- it doesn't hit you until it happens to you, until it happens in your town. until it happens in your state. and that can be anywhere. it can happen in every single town in our sun. it has happened in so many places. and i think that people are more and more starting to realize that. but, you would have thought that something like that would have really opened a lot more eyes. >> when you hear of mass shootings and there have been tragically many more, what goes through your mind? it must bring back awful memories for you. >> after the initial shock and

all of my flashbacks, i guess my first thought is, oh god, how many? >> how many have died? >> yeah, honestly, how many more have died. how many more families are feeling my pain. how many more kids are missing their mom? how many don't get to tuck their kids in tonight? how many, i'm so sick of thinking how many. but that is what it is every single time. >> let's take a short break, when we come back i want to talk to you about what must have been a very beautiful but bittersweet day. the wedding that your mom helped you plan.

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crazy and smart and well spoken and fierce and tiny. she was the kind of mom and principal that wouldn't yell at you. you knew she was mad the lower her tone got. when she has the soft, monotone voice, you knew you were in trouble. she was the best friend you could ever ask for. >> you are one of many families that are torn apart by what happened in newtown. do you see many of the other families on a regular basis? how is the group doing collectively given the remarkable attention this has received around the world? >> i have gotten extremely close with the sota family and they, i think, just like the rest of us, are as blah as it sounds, taking it day by day.

some days are worse than others. some days are excruciating and you don't want to get out of bed. the birthdays. every first is going to be like that. but then, you know, there are other days like, i don't know, hearing my niece talk. those are the days that make, that really make it worth it. that make it easier. and i think that every family is kind of experiencing that same thing. the good and the bad. just all mushed into one. >> you do something very special on the birthdays of each of the students that was killed that day. tell me about that. >> on their birthdays i always reach out to them. reach out to their families in any way i can. typically on either facebook or twitter and just let the families know that i'm thinking about them. if i have a phone number, i will, you know, send them a text message or an e-mail.

just because i know how it feels. i know how it feels. >> you got married a few months ago. it must have been a very bitter sweet day for you. a day of great joy, but your mom wasn't there for that. how was it for you that day? >> i got married in the dress that my mom and i picked out at her house in the adirondacks and the shoes that she would have tormented me for wearing. we had almost the entire wedding planned together and i did it exactly the way that she wanted it to be and i knew that day would have been perfect for her. it was perfect for me. it was perfect for my husband and i knew she was with me. i was able to go to the cemetery to be with her that morning. only for a couple minutes because i knew i had to get out quick so i didn't completely

lose it and i think it's exactly the day she would have wanted me to have. >> do you feel she's looking down on you and guiding you as you go on this relentless campaign now to try to make america a safer place? >> every time i'm ready to give up, a school bus will drive by or i will be standing outside in the wind and the wind chimes will go off or i'll see a butterfly in the cold or harriet the spy will fall off my book shelf. she lets me know that it's all worth it. >> you're doing a tremendous job. you have turned it into a positive. you are trying to get real action done and i will support you all the way, as you know. and best of luck. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. 1ñp

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